I see it time, and time again. I'm curious - your mindset intrigues me - but why do you all persist on attempting to help them save this game from the inevitable collapse under all the greed? I speak of course, about giving feedback on the forums - or anywhere else. It is evident by now for all who browse this site that the teams aren't listening, nobody is home unless you ring using your credit card... The greed of this publisher and to a greater extent, the developers themselves, PA is utterly nuts. Every single time they introduce a change it is geared towards financial benefit. We see more development in areas which have the potential to be milked for money than we do in any other part of this game. I propose even changes the community request (after months upon months) - such as SMH nerfs are actually just part of the plan to bump up the "value" of shop items (see recent increase in prices apparently due to "the new Marketplace"). As silver making methods are slowly squeezed out or minimized in game, the more lucrative and attractive cash-shop items will be. But as the GM asked us too - lets have an "open mind" about that whole, doubling the value thing.. and "buy many please"... Hell I'd even go so far as to speculate that Renown was removed because they'll be bringing in a cash-shop option for it soon enough - rent-able timed gear anyone? Only for the low low price of your first born!.... But maybe that's just tin-foil...? I ask why you bother is because I want to know what drives you to attempt to help these people? When from my perspective, limited as it is, I see nothing but a bunch of greedy and out of touch fools who got into this industry purely for profits. While I can't say there is anything wrong with that on a fundamental level - we all have to pay the bills - but I believe the outright lies ("improved communication guys", "No place in our version", and now evidence of increasing disregard to even pretend not to be P2W - I believe these types of behaviors are abhorrent and disgusting to the core. Bottom line - If you're going to milk your customers, be honest about it! But what they're doing isn't honest, its deceptive, its rude and it is anti-consumer to the core. So why? Why do you all persistent in suggesting reasonable and sometimes ingenious solutions to their problems, when time and time again they just ignore you? (Also including the bad ideas because at least you tried). Hell it took the community to organize/collate and present the feedback and even then most of the ideas which "win the hearts of the ""developers"" are geared around how to milk more money from their customers! Is it because you love this product? I used too, but it's sad knowing how far its fallen at the hands of these out of touch loons; and while I would leave; I stay for the (maybe vain) hope that the GM team will stick up for their customers, or the developers will be able to work on something that isn't just a backdrop to the latest twenty dollar costume set. The bottom line is this: I'm increasingly feeling like I'm not the adventurer, my wallet is. So with the stage set - why do you continue? Why are you here today? Are you here because you're simply waiting until the "BDO Killer" arrives? Or are you here because you can ignore, at least to some extent, the greed of the publishers and management? If you've given feedback before - why did you and do you still? tl:dr Kash-Cow and PA are greedy to the core - so I question you for the reason as to why you stay loyal to this game and actually go so far as to attempt to help them fix their mess?