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Why do people claim that TRI is softcap?

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Coeprandua, Mar 29, 2018.

  1. WaifuJanna

    WaifuJanna WaifuJanna Witch EU

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    exactly this. Can Kakaogames #Sticky this answer please? he excactly hit the nail on the head!
    but sadly its pointless to discuss with the Nodewar guys, they living in their own World. They think, "I am full tet in the guild like all the others, so full tet is average/softcap" - BULSHIET

    Also the Nodewar guys think "softcap leve is 61/62, only cause the are it" - BULLSHIET again


    If u check the Rankings ingame, u can see 80% of people are lower then 61, most people doesnt even have level 60. I really wishes Kakaogames would create an Average Level Shart to the 2nd aniversarry info grafic, so the delussional "Hardcore Players" would realise they are special and less then 1% of the player popularity.


    Even if Kakaogames Mail full PEN items to everyone ingame. The Softcap is STILL TRI, cause TRI has the highest stats/per level boost, and DUO to TRI is a HUGE powerspike in difficulty and expensiv!

    Softcap is not a therm that Changes based on economy/players gear, Softcap is the point where things get difficult by game design! It has a reason, TRI haveing the biggest power spike.
     
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  2. Crazyz

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    Well if what she/he is saying is the "go to answer" then lets face it getting Tet is easy so tet is softcap... lol.
     
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  3. Cold_Darkness

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    somehow i get the feeling that people write "IV is softcap!" only so they can fool themselfs into thinking they are less hardcore than they are

    or people really do confuse "CAP" with "expected REQUIREMENT". im fine either way, but please stop stop spouting nonsense like IV is softcap when no game mechanic implies that it is, but multiple mechanics point to III and II instead.
     
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  4. WaifuJanna

    WaifuJanna WaifuJanna Witch EU

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    exactly, looks like they only need to push their ego or talk other players bad/demotivate them.

    TET was NEVER the softcap, and it will never be softcap, unless Kakao/PA change the upgrade system / enable force enchant to tet.

    Guess why the "maximum silver" u can get from RBF is at 450 gearscore+ ... CAUSE TRI GEAR is softcap!!! not tet. if tet would be softcap there would be 500+ reward....

    I realy hope Kakaogames/PA will fck up a future patch that those castleguilds/NW/hardcore players will quitt. BDO would be so much better and friendlier if they leave. I miss the old times where everyone has +14/+15 and the game was fresh and nice.
     
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  5. Thanak

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    Duo is a no brainer, just spam stone you will eventually get it.
    TRI is one step above the no brainer step. You fail you get back to pri be since DUO is a no brainer it's not a problem.

    TET is were the hard part begins because you can get two downgrade in a row.
     
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    Even if all geared players quits u still stay a bad player... stop to whine about other players who do put more effort then you in this game and even with equal gear u still have no skill at all miss witch.
     
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  7. PyroPaul

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    .... This is broken logic.

    if the hard part begins where you can "get two downgrade in a row" - then the start point of that would be TRI - because you can disenchant back down to Pri, 2 steps down from Tri. The way you worded it makes it sound like failing to enchant a Tri causes it to disenchant directly to Pri... which isn't how that works.

    In any case - it doesn't matter because you can consistantly fail to enchant at Duo, causing it to disenchant back to Pri. That would make Duo the 'softcap' because it is at Duo where a punishment mechanic is introduced.
     
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  8. Thanak

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    Going for DUO you can't downgrade.
    Going for TRI you can.

    The first step to the level where downgrade is possible is not that hard because the level just before can be achieved with just spamming stuff.

    And for any semi-hardcore+ player that played for a few month, TRI is not that big a deal and TET is what they consider cap because that step is a lot harder but still achievable if you enchant smart (alt set of gear and avoid tet roulette)
     
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    Setting aside purchasing TRI (which for weapons would be the smart choice, probably TET as well), getting TRI is not difficult via enhancement. It takes a bit of patience accumulating mats, a bit of silver supplementing what you don't get from gathering or welfare, but I enhance all my own stuff (as many others do) and have had to get the same pieces of gear to TRI many, many times in the pursuit of TET. Same with +14, +15, and DUO, getting TRI is matter of experience. Once you're used to failing X amount, you come to the table more prepared and aren't pulling your hair out after every single fail.

    I get more upset at Reblath going +15 at 0 FS then I do at TRI fails.
     
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  10. Zycrus

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    If you look at the cost efficiency, Tet is softcap, no matter what so many other people say here.

    If you play this game casually for around 6 months, you should reach the point where you have tet bossgear, and at least duo accessories (maybe not duo tungrad/ogre). And i am talking very casual here. Tri is a go to upgrade everyone has nowadays, if you consider it the cap where it gets very expensive to reach the next upgrade, you play even less casual than casual. Tet is a goal everyone can achieve, after tet though, it starts getting really expensive. Same with tri accessories. Why would you consider duo accessories softcap, when you even can drop pri/duo now. How is something considered a cap when it is so easy to get. After tri, the cost for a potential accessory upgrade increases a lot.

    Tet is nothing special anymore, and no, i am not talking from a top tier node war perspective, i am currently in a t1 nodewar guild. And even there, people go for tet/have tet, aim for tri accessories, etc. . A huge part of this curve are the events we get spammed with. We constantly get free blackstones, hards, sharps, mem frags, things to sell for money, accessories, etc. Adding up in value even if you only play casual.
    Tri armor is not a softcap, it is the entry point where you start playing the endgame. Basically an equivalent to the gear needed to start raiding in wow (not sure if it works like this, never played wow).
    If you think tri or even duo is softcap because if you fail you get punished, then maybe you should stop using the enchant system as an excuse. Unless you plan to quit this game after 2 months already. Then indeed, tri might be the softcap for you personally. But for everyone who plays this game longer, tet is the softcap.
     
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  11. Thanak

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    With your logic, the cap is 7 for weapon and 5 for armor because after that it might fail.

    There is CAP in softcap...

    Softcap is the place where the vast majority of player won't go beyond because it become way too hard and not cost effective
    Hardcap is the place where it is impossible to go higher.

    Softcap in level is 61... look at the growth chart anyday and you only see 61... plus a very very small number of 62. A vast majority of player cap at 61 and a few hard core grinder pass the softcap to hit 62.

    For gear there are argument to be made for TRI and TET being the softcap.... I would argue that TET is hard enough and rare enough so TRI is the softcap, but I can understand why people says it's TET.
     
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  12. PyroPaul

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    Tet isn't easy to get... it requires a significant amount of resource and time.

    A "softcap" is a point in which you start to experience diminishing returns on your investment - so that the more you invest, the less you get out of it. Typically in economics and business, this is when the overhead for a growing company starts to exceed it's profit margins.

    This in no way denotes difficulty, because the term 'difficulty' itself is entirely subjective.

    As such, you have entirely ignored the resource demand and consumption as if it was nothing... Repairs for lost durability, concentrated black stones, Scrolls of Valks. You treat these as if they have no value and that every one should have a pool of these things on hand at all times. The event you even describe denotes a loss of approximately 500 million silver in lost resources.... and you blow that all off as if that is something every one does on a daily basis.
     
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    Is there a diminishing return for weapon between +7 and +8 ... yeah but that doesn't make it the cap.

    Softcap is not the point where it start to get harder, it's the point where going above is effectively impossible for the vast majority of people... that's why it's called a cap.
     
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    It is a softcap...
    There can be several softcaps when you consider something. ..

    In World of Warcraft Hit rating had multiple 'softcap' points for multi-weapon using classes such as the Fury Warrior and Rogue.

    The point where 1 point of 'hit rating' provided only a fraction of benefit it did before that point, the point when Special Attacks would stop missing against Elite/Boss mobs, the point where White/Normal attacks would stop missing against Elite/Boss mobs. They would often split those different softcaps into having different names for clarity - Hitcap, softcap, ect. - but they where all break points when Hit Rating experienced diminished returns on investment.

    And if memory serves - the average enchantment level among Characters should be +Pri/Duo.

    Most players do not push for Tri/Tet on alts.
     
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    I think you have your definition wrong. There is no such thing as multiple softcap for the same item.

    Point of diminishing return != softcap

    Hard cap = you can't go higher
    Soft cap = Highest point reachable without significant time / money investment. The point where the vast majority of player won't go beyond.

    Like I said, for level it's pretty no brainer : 61. 61 are a dime a dozan but they are only a handfull of 62+.

    For gear, there is argument for TET and TRI.... Most node war player reach TRI boss. TET are still rare enough to not everyone can hope to reach it. But on the other most T1 guild have peoples in TET gear.
     
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  16. PyroPaul

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    You start off saying this:
    But finish off with saying this:

    So - after 6 months of playing you have Tet, yet you fully expect players that have only 2 months of play time to match?

    Even the body of your post is flawed... you reference the fact that multiple events in the past feed the player base with ample resources to help them with enchanting - yet if a player was not around for those events they would not have access to those resources.

    But you are seemingly are judging everything and every one as if they Should.
     
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    because those TET people looking for easy targets ? as in T2/T3 guild they just got washed away ?
     
  18. Reigne Irkalla

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    No, more like that is the state of the game. More and more people are getting their boss armor to TET. More and more people are getting their yellow accessories to TRI.

    Because it's softcap. :3
     
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    That post make you happy ? You find its funny? Are you starving lonely troll you want attention ?There is no food for you, go play with you T1 full TET guild.
     
  20. Reigne Irkalla

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    OwO

    have i triggered you
     

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