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Why do we need disgusting degrade ?

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Arzurag, May 30, 2018.

  1. Arzurag

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    Greetings,

    In all honesty, why do we have such system as degrade-system ? What's its bloody purpose ? I completely fail to see its dam use. As far as I can tell, there's none. It only lowers my encouragement to upgrade further.
    I stuck with duo:grunil since over 1000 hours. I try it once a week since one bloody year now and it ****** scks that it fails over and over again, with no end in sight. I want to upgrade the one thing that I can transfer from character to character without need for adjustments. But nooo, it keeps failing, though I don't want to buy Tri-armor due the need of the silver for weapons and the like.

    Such disgusting system does no good but drains my me dry, it's ****** getting on my nerves that even enhancing with cron-stones is not guaranteed and force-enhance is even more expensive.

    I don't want it anymore in this game, I want it removed entirely or at last replaced with a less expensive system.
    I have already heard of an addition to cron-stones, something like farmable cron-stones, which is better that it is now but still it's only a band-aid fix for a retarded system that O don't want to endure anymore.
     
  2. AlnilamE

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    You know you can force Grunil to TRI, right?

    It's boss gear that's the real pain.
     
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  3. WhySoSeeryus

    WhySoSeeryus Wizard 63 EU

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    wait till you get to boss gears :D
     
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  4. Exception

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    Because BDO is an MMORPG that's looking for a specific person to play.

    You're not here for PVP (other games do it 99^e times better).
    You're not here for the combat system (other games to it 99^e better)
    You're not here for the MMORPG portion (other games do it 10^e better)

    You are here to increase a database column on your toon. That's why you're playing.

    Get to it.
     
  5. Arzurag

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    So in order to get rid of degrade I have to get myself a billion or two, buy pearl abyss and kakao, so that I can forcefully remove the degrade system from the game ?
    Sounds like a lifetime goal.
     
  6. Kusaragii

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    I personally feel degrading armor is unnecessary in this game (and I do have full TET boss armors). I think increasing the durability cost on failing would be a better approach than de-grading gear... but that's just an opinion. Really, its the developers choice on how they want to proceed with this enchanting system. Didn't they mention they will be improving the system?

    Accessories exploding ... now that should be removed entirely.
     
  7. Exception

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    Or you can just go to a casino. The dopamine rush is the same and its more probable.
     
  8. Arzurag

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    I don't even want to mention my +13, +14 muskans, bhegs and giath, that keeps failing.
    I know I can force the enhancement, but then it needs even more meme-frags.
    Too bloody expensive
     
  9. Dryed

    Dryed Warrior 63 NA

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    No, you don't have to buy pearls.
    No, you don't have to pay billions, you just won't progress..

    Wtf is your problem you want best gear for free at your feet?

    You wanna get better items you gotta work for it or pay for it (in-game silver it is)
     
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  10. Arzurag

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    I would be fine with increased durability costs, as long as there's no possibility to blow up the progress I have made.
     
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  11. Arzurag

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    Never said I want it for free, I simply want to use the given system to make progress but it doesn't let me, thus I'll simply buy all gear now, already sold all materials that are needed for enhancing.
    Effort/value/reward is not properly balanced in this game.
     
  12. Dryed

    Dryed Warrior 63 NA

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    Adopt, improve, find the way that works the best for you to progress... I personally like enchanting. There some other people that also enjoy it. Once you hit softcap the only way to progress will be enchanting yourself because aint nobody gonna sell you PEN and if PEN does go on MP the chances you will win the bid are close to 0.
     
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  13. Arzurag

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    Then I'll simply buy myself to TRI, but it already worries me that I have to enhance eventually.
     
  14. Dryed

    Dryed Warrior 63 NA

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    Of course you will have to, as of where the game right now full TRI will leave you in the dust in any pvp engagement...
     
  15. Sizer

    Sizer Kilgannon Maehwa 62 NA

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    inb4 OP doesnt use FS.
     
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  16. 2Cents

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    This is why

    Enchanting Failed again!!! What's the scoop?
    The reason why you fail so often is obvious, it's a cash shop trap. This is nothing new! However, the psychology behind it goes much further.

    A normal purchase: This would be a consumer making a rational decision to purchase a product/service in a normal state of mind.

    This is NOT the idea behind the enchant system. They want you to be frustrated, irritated, desperate. The psychology of the system prays upon getting you tilted. They are not looking for "normal purchases". They want you in a state of mind where you make poor decisions.

    This would be akin to a casino behind allowed to get you completely intoxicated to a point where you can barely stand and then taking advantage of you making horrible decisions in black jack.

    Why does it work so well? It works because they pray upon their customers and take full advantage of their weaknesses. They want to trap you into spending money you normally wouldn't. This is done by putting you into a dilemma trap.

    Example: You have spent $20 on Artisans. However, RNG wasn't in your favor today. First there was no luck involved. Failure was the design. It wasn't bad luck that put you in this situation. It was hand crafted to force you into this situation, just so you know. Now your back at PRI, but your running out of resources. If you don't spend more money you will just lose the $20 you spent. However, another $20 might get you success. This is exactly the trap they wanted to put you in, and you fell for it.

    Why are there no limits? The price of enchanting an item can far exceed it's market value. It can potentially be 12x the market value. Why is there no limit on this!!!! Your intended to throw your wallet at the problem. They are perfectly willing to accept whatever amount they can pry from you. Even if it's not in your best interest and under duress.

    Don't ruin it for everyone. If you pay for these items you are damaging the genre for everyone. Why do you think this system is in place? The data shows this works. It's been in use in other systems and monitored closely.

    Your NOT FAILING BECAUSE OF RNG! Your failing because people before you in other games allowed themselves to be manipulated and suckered into systems similar to this.

    Make the Gaming Better
    Help educate others to not fall into this trap. As long as this scam model is profitable it's not going to stop. If you spend money on the cash shop in this manner your just sustaining the problem and ensuring this cycle will continue.
     
  17. Mafesio

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    This isn't really true, I whale in every game that let's me. I eventually went with the life skill and just a couple hours of actual grind. I have every boss item minus offin to TRI or TET, the first couple weeks I used artisan's but they really don't much unless you have hards/sharps, blackstones, mem frags to begin with, ya you save some silver with artisan's, but you still find yourself doing scrolls constantly.

    In the end your just going to buying the extra scrolls anyway. I cook, process, trade and a few hours grinding a week, plus guild bonus, I normally have 1000+ mem frags a week to use on gear, anyway who had a brain and the money to spend, aren't going to spend it on artisan's, I would buy everything in the Pearl Shop twice, they give you no guarantee, and if your going for PEN, your going to blow up all the $$ you spent for the attempt, even a gambler wouldn't fall for this more than once. In the end you have to play more than you can ever spend, the $150 a week pretty much forces you to play and do endless scrolls no matter how many artisan's you have.

    But it's not a bad system, the only thing they really did right in this game so far is make progression thr thr entirety of the game, if they got rid of it, it would be a different game, as much as I love BDO, it does lack any real content other than progression, if you take that away or make it to easy, what is left, at least until they get the combat settled once and for all.
     
  18. 2Cents

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    The reason it's RNG and such low rates has nothing to do with benefits for the game such as long term progression. It's specifically designed for selling items. Opinions on this don't mean anything. There are billions of dollars in revenue that overwhelmingly prove the results. This is a much bigger issue than BDO.

    You even admit it worked. You spent money on Artisans. The system got you. They forced you to fail, and then you paid money for it. Some may spend more, but they got you.
     
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  19. Gingen

    Gingen Guildmarm Sorceress 59 NA

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    I fully recognize that not many will share my opinion on this but I feel like it's about time to remove downgrade on failed enhancements.

    My main reason for this opinion is Accessories will still explode and that is still a huge money sink but the days when everyone was at +15 felt very good. You could tell more easily when people were on par with one another in PvP and also what classes needed more balancing attention than others. From that perspective, having everyone on a similar platform of advancement would not only justify the renown system (again, controversial opinion) but would also place more emphasis on the necessity of accessories rather than worrying about degrading your main gear and gimping yourself, burning resources to the extent that you cripple your gameplay.

    Enhancement to TET and PEN will still require a healthy number of fail stacks, Stones, and Mem Frags, but I guarantee there will be far fewer people rage quitting or having an aneurysm because they either burned billions or they're too poor to recover. People will still farm stone, still do relics, and still buy artisans en mass. PA will still profit.

    TET and PEN will still be a big deal but if we truly want skill in PvP to be the focus, we need to remove the stress and pain of gear gaps, and I feel removing downgrade on equipment would be a step toward that. This gear gap system has been in place long enough. So I believe it's time to remove the downgrade.

    As a disclaimer, I'm full TET boss gear. I went through that struggle already. This isn't about accomplishment. Gambling != Achievement. Nor does this mean "You just want the game easier". Pain and stress and feeling depressed over downgraded gear != difficulty. It just sucks and isn't fun.
     
  20. Arzurag

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    I couldn't agree more, tho I don't have tet nor tri, I simply stuck with duo and refuse to fund enhancing with more and more silver that goes down the drain.

    It's simply frustration that did let me make my post and it's good to know that there are some who at least partially agree.

    I don't want things easier, just less frustrating.
     
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