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Why in the hell did you raise the cost of high quality wine?

Discussion in 'General Gameplay' started by Denthors, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Prochilles

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    It def isn't an exploit. It simply became more viable to do this turn in as obtainable silver became increasingly more. Back 2 years ago when 5 mil an hour was optimal this item was a joke.
     
  2. Luxienna

    Luxienna Witch 61 EU

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    why it was a joke?


    pre nerf - after nerf

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    option wine (NPC):

    5million - 150 Energy ~30 sec (clicking,buying)
    10million - 150 Energy ~30 sec (clicking,buying)
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    option potions(player created content):

    4,8 million - 150 Energy ~30 min (3 potions each 10min)
    7,8 million - 150 Energy ~30 min ('')

    -> Conclusion. those NPC is still a powerhouse!
     
  3. Ben Phoenix

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    It's usually always worth sleeping in the bed...
     
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  4. Luxienna

    Luxienna Witch 61 EU

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    this is not about opinions, its about simple math!

    an NPC should never offer a Cheaper AND Better solution then player involved tradeing

    end of story.

    they should removed this npc from the game, cause how broken it still is. Unlimited NIghtvendor, u can basically spamm bossgear.

     
  5. Factorial

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    Maybe in your twisted universe this should be true. However, in reality, this doesn't hold any water.

    If you can give me a solid reason that's based remotely on reality or any iota of common sense, I will listen.

    In the meantime, list every given item within the game and see how it correlates to you insane thought process.
     
  6. Maginha

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    Lakiaros? Abused with HQW? Anyone?
     
  7. MisterJoy

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    It was not needed, just like it was not needed to increase the prize of energy potions, which came some weeks ago, which created this "exploit".

    So this gave an inefficient afk income a little boost(most used energy on nv since converting is not worth it), while ****ing an active income over. Without pearl items gathering from high quality wine energy nets you no profit while investing time. You actually burn money, if no good event is running.

    With pearl items the profit is decreased by about 70-80% from before (T4 Hedgehog, -53% durability decrease on tools, master 1 gathering, fig pie and sturdy alchemy stone. Yeah this really was "needed". :)

    Converting Energy potions nets you 400,6k per day per char. yeah this was so very needed.

    Everyone knew, how op gathering was.
     
  8. MisterJoy

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    Luxienna your math is very cool, but you don't consider that you still invest TIME to make money out of this energy.

    Your points aint making this change valid, they make the other things invalid. Now it is just useless to use high quality wine.

    "Spam nightvendor", yeah like you can spam those msystery necks to get ogre ring, but not saving any money while doing it, you do your math "right".


    The only time high quality wine was a direct profit in the NV mechanic was the cron box event, it is not without it. (25 energy event if it includes lowered item prizes on boss rolls)

    To come to my statement I used my last 500 (non event) NV roll results.
    Just checked my results from the cron box NV event, it was a huge profit with the high quality wine, if I double the investment costs of high quality wine I land in a huge negative balance :/.
    And this is still negative, if you did all the awakened boss scrolls.


    So to say it again, yeah this was a very cool fix to let those non educating people get some more money from energy potions. I always like it, if you decrease the results of people, who research game mechanics.

    And yeah Luxienna, in the future dig a bit deeper and dont spam out those fast made calculations.
    This is why opinions are most of the time wrong, since people dont include all points which are related to something.
     
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  9. TwilightAngel

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    You know ff14 is a subscription based MMO right? Okay byeeeee

    Also GW2 makes you pay for the expansions
     
  10. Fearless V

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    And you point is?

    I'll tell you my point first tho. GW2 and FFXIV host extremely better user rattings and active playerbase in NA and EU regions. Not to mention that the PvE oriented MMO GW2 mass PvP and Arena PvP systems are many many times more active, healthier, and thriving. Than BDO's ever will be, even in a Hundred Million Trillion years.

    Hnmm. don't you wonder why that is? Oh wait you more than likely don't. Because anything other than a MMO, that pretty much gift you free wins. Through cash shop oriented casino style RNG gear progression. Is just way too hard for a gamer of your caliber.

    I now await your insults!
     
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  11. lingling

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    I have 570 energy and am m10 Gathering; it's definitely fine if I don't have Kama's Blessing running, but if I do, it becomes a never ending nightmare of gathering, so I do end up having to dump energy into nodes and NV just so I can do other things.
     
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  12. Korvgubben

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    Head Dev's response:
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  13. Fearless V

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    Damn, NICE!
     
  14. Ashenvall

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    Without mentioning value pack which is a monthly kind of subscription....lul
     
  15. Prochilles

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    Lol was this already on the Pearl shop or did they just add it?
     
  16. magret

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    money is easier to make, if they felt the need to reflect it for energy on the market, they have to raise it for NPC too. It just took chrismas event abusers to remind them of that apparently. GG, thanks to you, "educating" people we can't have nice stuff.

    now do the maths again at marketplace price and find out it's more balanced.
    A gambling game where the more you play the more you win? yes it's a problem. Christmas or not.

    Bigger problem is new activities creating inflation in a game that was conceive around avoiding it. Not gonna end well. Nothing is repercuted on what is dependant/depends on stuff that is changed until people abuse and/or complain.

    It feels like cheap patching gone out of control. Every overlooked change is gonna be abused to death by people who think it's the clever behaviour. See the result? more cheap patching. well guess it was not that clever after all.
     
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  17. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 61 NA

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    So..Lemme get this straight, Luxienna's complaining that player A: who actually plays the game, and follows lore, and interacts with NPC's got a benefit over Player B: who just logs in and missed something off of some guide, and feels player A got an advantage?

    Or is this wine available to everyone on the get go?
     
  18. magret

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    make up your mind, your player A, he plays the game or he follows guides?
     
  19. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 61 NA

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    Your asking the wrong person, I'm as confused as you and looking clarification.

    Is the wine available to any Johnny login with google, or to those who follow lore, and play the game?
     
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  20. magret

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    yes any Johnny.
    but idk what you are confuse about.
    people whine, Luxenia doesn't but noticed a logic explanation and he's shooed at because prejudice as always.

    player sold energy VS NPC: NPC sells it cheaper AND more convenient. Yes there is a problem. Cheaper OR more convenient would be OK I guess.
    Also as said by one of the whiner, it was abusable on new events at old prices. Not sure why he thinks it's an argument in favor of the old price though.
     

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