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Word from the Developers about PvP

Discussion in 'PvP' started by CM Praballo, Nov 6, 2019.

  1. Ben Phoenix

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    Of course it is. We could have similar lives, work 8 hours per day and have the evening available to play. More or less the same hours. It's nothing weird or impossible.
     
  2. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Dont you see that they make time a problem so you HAVE to pay? You paying to save time means they made the game crap on purpose and you are making that profitable. There should never be a paid option to skip anything..if there is, they placed that obstacle there as a paywall. Thats all that is, not what makes a game P2W. You are not buying convenience, you are paying for the devs to make the game worse. If you were buying convenience it would be something that would actually be convenient. Like for instance a fully leveled char like WOW does for alts. Purchasing boosters in BDO makes it profitable to make the grind impossibly long.

    Also dont get confused about monetization methods, and what PA is doing. They have a cash shop with convenience items also, they also have loot boxes. They also abuse the paytoskip mechanics found in mobile games, they have irl to cash conversion tokens like GTA does with shark cards, and they also allow players to outright buy endgames items, as well as made the game P2W with costume melting and selling rng attempts in the cash shop. and on top of this, PA ALSO requires 3 subs to progress gimp free. So BDO is not just p2w because of anyone thing. PA abuses all the forms of monetization a company can do to their product.

    GS is not the only progression in BDO. But I would also argure that without whales costume selling for currency conversion I dont believe anyone would be able to reliably reach that GS without access to the cheap crons melting costumes provides. PERHAPS a few got lucky an first tried TET and PEN on a few of their items..But PA designed the game to require cash investment to progress. It being free for the end user is something id like to see happen with a currency conversion ingame.

    And those Few that DiD get it in one shot is like saying everyone can be a jackpotwinner in a casino. But remember, PA is still in the black, cause you gotta do it 10 more times. And for gear at $70 an attempt, and accessories at like $200 per(either in irl hours, or real money)..they are gonna make sure you cant do it without someone paying up.
     
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  3. IWalkAlone

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    And then comes people that dont work and spend all day home in front of PC, and here we have people with advantage.
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    ..For them that is work. Its their fault you picked the wrong career? And they should get double perks cause they made their career MMO's? No matter how you look at it P2W makes a game worse so they have a product to sell.

    Never sell time savers, It means you had to create the problem.
     
  5. Ben Phoenix

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    The advantage is still yours if you can spend money in P2W stuff. Even if you can play less, you can achieve things faster than them cause all you have to do is open your wallet. I can tell you that with money your progression is gonna be quicker than theirs, not to mention that you are gonna put less effort than them.
     
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  6. IWalkAlone

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    It depends on games money spent etc.Thats why I said that few months ago if you play you get more progress than if you pay.Im not sure how it is now because there were changes.But all this conversation was abouth wrong fact - that you cant be competetive without payment.You can, but you need more time.
     
  7. Ben Phoenix

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    And we are back to the old point: time. why do I have to spend more time on something that other people can achieve in less time and effort?
     
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  8. IWalkAlone

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    Ohhh ypou failing to understand simple things...Or probably you just dont want to admit.
    This is not 100% true, but in general it is.So we agree on this, no doubt.
     
  9. IWalkAlone

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    Lol I get it now :)Pay then, its simple.Why should I spend the time you have, but i dont when I can be equal to you with some money?
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Exactly..Some people just cant afford to play..literally. With BDO it requires a huge time investment, AND a huge wallet. With a larger wallet you can buy more attempts as well. PA has a financial plan to fit every wallet size.
     
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  11. IWalkAlone

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    The general problem is that most people dont understand the fact that in MMOS there is no such thing like equal time leading to equal results.
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    Everyone understands that. People dont like when devs gimp their game to sell p2w. Or make the grind longer to make convenience attractive.
     
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    That's the point my friend: No. A system based on money to progress shouldn't be a thing cause it's ruining these games. It's unfair, frustrating, greedy, unfunny and so on. Not to mention the gambling aspect: despicable.
     
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  14. Mana_Mafia

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    So when are we getting a revised Karma system?

    Improved RBF? One for trials and another for regular characters? Additional maps?

    When are we getting Arena of Arsha + ladder system that we can queue 1v1/2v2/3v3/5v5 for?

    You've said you were going to work on these things for more than 2 years and you reiterated this again as recently as 8 MONTHS AGO.

    I think it's past time we see some results.
     
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  15. IWalkAlone

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    The huge time investment is normal for BDO.YOu have to be ok with that if you want to play.And P2w is afterefect.
    I agree with that.There is no doubth, but in case of BDO you need 5 euro for buy the game and probably around 100 for some LT and maids.. and pets if you dont have patience for quests and events.Games like ESO and GW2 will took way more money just to play the game continously.
    But any game you play takes away your money, just to play it.
    And dont get me wrong you too, Im against P2W mechanics.But I dont take time as game breaking even if its via payment.Exept if you buy ready char when you have to play 1 year to get there for example.
     
  16. IWalkAlone

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    Im afraid that the answer is getting close to "soon"
     
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    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    "Games like ESO and GW2 will took way more money just to play the game continously"
    This rumor again...Ok first of all thats not true at all. Companies that use that monetization provide a full game first of all, and a service..you are paying for the service monthly, you buy the full game with each expansion, hell you can even mod the UI.

    BDO, and other FTP games have to make money else ways, so they serve the game a la carte style in pieces and you pay to have inconvenience removed. Nether model needs to be P2W in order to turn a profit, and those other 2 games are more expensive cause you get a full game.

    BDO is by far the most expensive game to unlock fully I have ever seen, it also pretty much requires a sub or 2. On top of that They also have a cosmetic shop which other games base their entire income off of, still providing a full game like POE, etc. AND it abuses p2c/p2w monetization, loot boxes, requires real money gambling to progress certain things like your mount, faerie etc, etc

    So no BDO defiantly loses the wallet friendly recommendation, for value on the dollar.
     
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  18. IWalkAlone

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    LoL its the oposite, you need 5euro to have access to everything in BDO, but without payment in ESO and GW2 you dont have acces to areas and classes, races etc.
    BDO is more expencive if you want to pay.You can play the game without payment.And if you dont want to be competitive in PvP you may play it without spending a cent.
    And we getting way out of f topic.Lets stop.
     
  19. Kynreaa

    Kynreaa DarkKnight 62

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    This is 100% on topic because Iv just realized you actually think the artificial inconvenience games like BDO put in are just natural ingame mechanics.

    They are not. Its a monetization method you have gotten so used to not paying for, that you now see it as regular gameplay. Thus your opinion on what makes PvP fair or not is kinda screwed up. I dont think you are alone in this thought process so it sorta needs to be cleared up. For instance..You DONT have access to everything for just 5 euro, you can interact with anything yes..but your avatar is gimped to heck. Not only that progression for gear is made massively inconvenient to the point that if you dont pay it could take decades to get 1 char to a balance state. full PEN in anything. They do this to not be labeled with hardpaywalls..but its a paywall none the less.

    What you fail to understand is that normal gameplay is how they operate in Korea. And if you cant afford to play that way, you really should be advising players to just stay away from the competitive aspect. Thus why this is on topic. The game is meant to be played like a casino. If you enjoy gambling you will be right at home. Sure there are ways to circumvent the system, like just buying others success. But dont pretend like its meant for players to freemium their way to success...its not.
     
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  20. Ben Phoenix

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    Time matters, maybe you don't think it's important but many do, that's why PA is making lots of money, cause people want a shortcut and shortcuts imply less time spent on achieving something in order to access aspects of the game you wouldn't be able to access so quickly otherwise.

    Anyway yeah, let's drop it here.
     
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